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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 21:49:29 GMT -8
It's not the camera shots... The areal footage where u don't see children... You see cops chasing someone and people walking in circles... But no kids... It's just odd.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 22:02:09 GMT -8
Absolutely I would be mad also! But it's unusual for no photos... It's more the hellecopter photos and videos that concern me not the photography on the ground. It's seemed like a drill on camera.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2013 15:03:54 GMT -8
This all happened so fast the only photographer was our local bee , Shannon Hicks. The scene was still not secured as how she got that close I don't know. But again like Duffy the ap photographer. I believed she crossed the line. She is a local and should have been helping. How would you be feeling if someone was snapping shots as you children were seriously in harms way!
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Post by Bruce on Mar 22, 2013 15:35:01 GMT -8
Shannon Hicks took several photos in the parking lot before, as mom said, the scene was secured. She is a fire dept member and when her pager went off, was at the scene shortly before 10:00. From what I hear, there are a couple of photos you do not want to see, in the parking lot, of what Officer Chapman, Newtown PD had to do, and thankfully, in good taste were never published. It's her photos, so she can do what she wants with them. She said after her Newtown Bee job requirements, that morning, she switched to fire dept.volunteer work the rest of the day.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2013 15:56:05 GMT -8
Shannon Hicks took several photos in the parking lot before, as mom said, the scene was secured. She is a fire dept member and when her pager went off, was at the scene shortly before 10:00. From what I hear, there are a couple of photos you do not want to see, in the parking lot, of what Officer Chapman, Newtown PD had to do, and thankfully, in good taste were never published. It's her photos, so she can do what she wants with them. She said after her Newtown Bee job requirements, that morning, she switched to fire dept.volunteer work the rest of the day. And that is fair and honest , but if it were me, screw the Job, saving lives comes first. And that is just my opinion.
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Post by whatever2 on Mar 22, 2013 16:24:20 GMT -8
Not to be rude but I'm a little confused. On one hand we are told that EMT's had nothing to do and were basically turned away yet on the otherhand there are comments that everyone, including photographers should have been helping. I know this is from another thread too but I don't know if anyone clarified why in the Gene Rosen story, why there would be one story that he had 6 kids and now it's being said there were only 4 from Soto's class; and when answering that 2 were the bus drivers' kids, are you suggesting that the bus driver dropped her kids off at Gene's as well?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2013 19:53:05 GMT -8
Not to be rude but I'm a little confused. On one hand we are told that EMT's had nothing to do and were basically turned away yet on the otherhand there are comments that everyone, including photographers should have been helping. I know this is from another thread too but I don't know if anyone clarified why in the Gene Rosen story, why there would be one story that he had 6 kids and now it's being said there were only 4 from Soto's class; and when answering that 2 were the bus drivers' kids, are you suggesting that the bus driver dropped her kids off at Gene's as well? I can answer on the emt's an photographers. There was no medical need. All children were dead. However they were still getting kids out of the school before they had determined that there was only one shooter Adam.. So in essence these children were still in danger, in shock and scared beyond belief! The emt's were not needed medically but they were helping calm the children in the fire house!
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Post by Sandy Hook Hoax on Mar 23, 2013 10:11:49 GMT -8
I can answer on the emt's an photographers. There was no medical need. All children were dead... Just a quick follow up...... Who determined that all kids were deceased? If your child was in there would you want the EMT's to at least TRY? There were people hiding in closets for HOURS.... What if it was a wounded child? I have a feeling that there are about to be some HUGE lawsuits made public.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 11:21:01 GMT -8
I can answer on the emt's an photographers. There was no medical need. All children were dead... Just a quick follow up...... Who determined that all kids were deceased? If your child was in there would you want the EMT's to at least TRY? There were people hiding in closets for HOURS.... What if it was a wounded child? I have a feeling that there are about to be some HUGE lawsuits made public. The police checked for pulses as try began to clear the building . The only two with pulses were rushed out. I did not see the classrooms but have been told that there was no question about anyone alive. The shooting was a massacre. These were little children and the loss of blood and amount of bullets is just too hard to even comprehend. It will be interesting to see if lawsuits do come out, but I personally do not think there will be in regards to this.
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Post by Bruce on Mar 23, 2013 11:46:43 GMT -8
Erik, The police followed proper procedures. It was an active crime scene. In my location, not CT, an EMS staging area is set up close to the scene. They are called in as needed. The scene has to be somewhat secure/safe. The M.E. a MD or a physician's assistant can pronounce. Not an EMT. The police are perfectly capable to ascertain whether there are vital signs.
If there are some EMT's in Newtown that are mad they could not get inside the school, these are probably the same ones who are always at the scene of every serious car accident to see the gore. In that case, they would do well to find another line of volunteer work.
I can tell you from experience, I worked for the government almost 3 decades, and some of the horrific stuff I saw burned images into my mind, that I still cannot forget 30 years later. It's no joke about the cops. They will have serious PTSD for a long time. Some of the guys, I use to work with at those crime scenes, would laugh and crack jokes. Not out of disrespect to the victims, but as a coping mechanism. Otherwise, you go nuts!
I can only imagine what it was like inside those rooms. I don't care to think about it. Bruce
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Post by Sandy Hook Hoax on Mar 23, 2013 12:20:17 GMT -8
The scene wasn't "secure" for at least 3 hours after the shooting.
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Post by Bruce on Mar 23, 2013 12:33:24 GMT -8
All that tactical stuff seen in news films/photos was well after the fact. The main event was over in 45 minutes, (meaning shooter down, children evactuated, preliminary sweeps of the building). TV News missed the main part. If I recall, there were some door to door searches later in the immediate area. SWAT, etc were able to get some actual training exercises out of it.
I will not criticize law enforcement, but I think the command post took a little longer to set up than it should. You need an incident commander working with all the utilized agencies ASAP. The mobile communications center came in late. Again, I will not criticize them in a event of this magnitude. I think they did the best they could then and the days that followed. Bruce
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 20:57:01 GMT -8
But the media got there as early as a person running threw the woods...
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Post by tci on Mar 24, 2013 5:07:14 GMT -8
some good q@a here everyone , but let's please remember to stay on topic and start a new thread for new questions...some good info can be easily lost (overlooked)... thank you
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2013 20:03:28 GMT -8
Shannon Hicks took several photos in the parking lot before, as mom said, the scene was secured. She is a fire dept member and when her pager went off, was at the scene shortly before 10:00. From what I hear, there are a couple of photos you do not want to see, in the parking lot, of what Officer Chapman, Newtown PD had to do, and thankfully, in good taste were never published. It's her photos, so she can do what she wants with them. She said after her Newtown Bee job requirements, that morning, she switched to fire dept.volunteer work the rest of the day. So that 'rumor' of the photographer changing into her fireman's costume was true..... hmmm. THANK you, Bruce. One instance of rumor being true. Seems a LOT of volunteer firefighters live in Newtown/S.Hook... enough to need six(?) truck bays..
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